Roth (Victor) and Wesley (Don)

 

 

 

 

They argued then and still do today

1951 and 2013.

 

Right click on to enlarge the picture

 

Don and Vic  -    Circa 1951.

Don, bought and rebuilt the 1949 MG.

Vic bought a newer 1950 MG.

 

Don and his camera [timer]  took the picture.

 

Bobby Payne came in later.

 

Remember, today they are Great Grand Parents

And the Contest was growing
They met as two kids 10 and 11.

They are  80 and 81 today.

November 13, 2013.

November 12 2013 ..... A Day I'll Remember.

 

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Whistleblower, Edward Snowden  -
And  Senior,  Elder, Don Wesley   -
Compare these two different vessels
and
How they think alike at the same time. See Don and his Dad in a 1934 picture,
down below 

  

Hi Buddy.

What I hoped you would see,
[a few days ago; because I sincerely asked you to],
was the following - “this one interview” where Edward Snowden, reveals how he thinks, and the Principles of Moral Logic that guide him.
I don’t want to discuss at the moment, anything more than this comparison, about my demeanour and seriousness and Edward Snowden’s demeanor and seriousness.
This is how I'm framing this story right now. We can go further into another frame, if you wish to, sometime later.

His demeanour and seriousness, is much how mine has been, since I met you, at 10 years of age. You were 11. We are now 80 and 81. Even in High School, my demeanour was the same; serious and kind.

It is the demeanour, that my wife and children saw, and the demeanour I displayed last night at Alexandria Masonic Lodge, to 10 very serious men.

My message - "There is Corruption in the Court Systems and it is hurting too many good men" resulting in"Man-made suffering" It needs our urgent attention.

I was demanding their attention and apologised.
I didn’t soften my words however, which had to be heard by them. Their attention was held and the message delivered. 

Like other good men, what I explain, to everyone, and always have, is from the depths of my heart, and what I truly see, and they can't even know exists; until revealed by someone, at opportune moment.  I never use un-healthy anger. I'm just very happy to have them listen. It is not because I’m smarter, but just because my mind is obsessively pulling me in; to see what my imagination reveals. This mind, not in the Brain, is also the collective mind; as Carl Jung researched year ago.

[An aside] Obsessive thinking is a gift from our Creator, it seems.
My Son, Steven revealed this to me when he was 13.
The lady shrink we visited, said "you need obsessive thinking to learn. Steven is now a Psychiatrist.   

"Each of us sees only part of what is possible" and what needs to be done and we can't wait for someone's approval to respond. So, as good individual men, we are obliged to hear messages and cry's for help. Together we hear the whole message [in parts] from each other. Then as Craftsmen and Engineers using the Social Sciences as well, we get what is important and urgent, done.  

What moves most men more, is the Propaganda created and published by the richer people, who control everything.
Only they have the power to approve. The collective "We."
This is the Bovine Matter they grind out, daily and we pay for.

It is the individual men (The holy "I's") who get together for the job defined, as needed. (Putting out a fire for example)

Some mistakenly say, that I am a controlling Narcissist. Some have tested me, and find that no narcissist is present in me.

I thank you Buddy.
Don

The following is a young man, is an image of  [likeness]to me; like when I was in the Signal Corps. 1952. -

“whistleblower Edward Snowden: 'I don't want to live in a society..... ”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yB3n9fu-rM&feature=share

 

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donwesley1933@live.com

The barfly-customer-is-always-right-right!

 

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10 November 2013. Six Hours to Remembrance Day.

What is the right thing to do? How do you measure it?

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The barfly-customer-is-always-right-right! A good lesson or a Joke. Never assume anything!
What should the Bar owner do?
Will he avoid the temptation of Greed or sharpen his Virtue of wisdom?
Healthy drinking or un-healthy drinking; what determines what is right or wrong?
No measure; use Biblical discretion.

Hi, Old Buddy.

The opportunity to see, a lack of humility, can be found, moment by moment in the News Papers.
In Montreal, I could be whacked for revealing this.  “The idea of righteousness”  
I knew it was only a question of time, before you fell into Bovine Matter. i.e., Marin newspaper of some kind.
There is perfectly right; and there is unhealthy right. We must measure what is most needed. Science has no scales of measurement for it.
To be humble, we must chip away at the unfinished stone like a stone Mason.  All day and every day until we die.

Psychologists, measure the degree of disorder and the Psychiatrist prescribes the treatment.
Steven got the measurements wrong and flipped into unhealthy anger, when his treatments failed. The beautiful young lady of the night rejected him. He also did the measurements!
Steven maybe a Psychopath and I opine, [methinks] has an unhealthy borderline personality. I still love this child. My first, with Denise.  I wanted him, ever so much.  I forgave him long ago.
Doctor Lundel said it would take years for Steven to overcome to his behaviour.

Michael, on the other hand, calculated how much he could get away with. He is not a social-path; he just uses the behavior that he needs to succeed in stealing Dad's belongings.
Today they both cover their faces with Mask's of Shame.  See the following; I have a duty to rebuke them publically. The private one failed to have them ask for forgiveness.  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mus%C3%A9e_de_la_Bible_et_de_la_Terre_Sainte

I have the “healthy” aspects of near-borderline personality. I need structure and obedience. My face is the real one, slim and intimidating: You will be heard and then spanked with kind words and given a hug at the same time.

However help is available immediately; Christ is knocking on your door and saying "Hey buddy, I have what you need to keep yourself from destroying yourself." He doesn't push you around; he just offers help and walks on to the next needy soul.

Most recovering from alcoholism, have gone the Christ-route. Self injury is wrong.

When I drank [not often] as a teenager at 14; I got drunk too quickly and would slap my own face with anger. It hurt, so I stopped drinking early. In the Officers Mess, at 17, we could buy beer. The Colonel watched us, while he got into a drunken stupor. He fined us "via a military trial-route", and made more money that way.   He called it a lesson in military law.
The Mafia will slap your hands or whack you.

The Bar-owner who is greedy for money, will say "pice on him" and "You don't matter and I don't mind".
There is healthily Narcissism and unhealthy Narcissism; this not what the shrinks say; which is “you are a Narcissist!”

Your smile [old Buddy] is much better now and your nose is slimming down; and I have tried, not to push you around.

And you said last week that your conversation with your daughter is more fluid; not a lube-job I hope. When you visited my home with your daughter, I heard these words for the very first time: I wondered.  Some drinking, maybe good; Unhealthy drinking is a heavy burden, which will kill you.

The Lady of Your home didn't push you either. She stayed awhile; and you stopped denying. 
Get rid of your pride. Work every day to find the sinful behavior in yourself. Only Christ displays perfect humility. What temptations have you resisted today?

I certainly can say with regret, that I’m not free of Sin myself. However, I do fear not getting through the curtain to heaven.  Life on earth isn’t full of joy; the man-made suffering is insane.

Francyne said I was in denial! Who did the measurements?  Is she one of Lucifer’s angelic flying devils?
On her best days she still carries her brooms.

Buddy old man; I was wondering what story I could write that would sell the idea of righteousness; for tomorrow on my blog.

You came forward with the little miracle I needed.  If you prefer I’ll remove it.

Thanks Buddy, you're wearing the sheepskin of a lamb; you’re a Christian and don't say so.  The Christian has an obligation to reveal the message of Christ.

Your Old Pastor Don, the bastard; an accident of birth and not self-made.
Only a temporary Chaplain!

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-----Original Message-----

From: Buddy  

Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 8:07 AM
To: Don Wesley
Subject: Barfly: Some customers are more right than others - Marin Independent Journal
http://www.marinij.com/lifestyles/ci_24470717/barfly-customer-is-always-right-right
Sent from my iPad

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donwesley1933@live.com

Don and PTSD and November 11 and Legal Abuse Syndrome.

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Hi Old Pal, Vic.
 
Your question, a few hours past, was ....
“Do we really want something to save our life?”

Before I start,
"I slept, from November 09, 2013 3:42 PM, until writing this reply to you now. November 10, 2:34 AM."

So here is my reply.
 
You left Montreal and moved to San Francisco where you started a Bar Business. You learned drinking in Montreal Bars.

You, introduced your young daughter, to the Bar-life, 30 years ago;   Has it worked for her?

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The “Alcoholics Anonymous.” is a big time business here in the Capital of Canada. And the Mayor of Toronto is denying he drinks and smokes Cocaine. Look at the Obamacare arguments. The world is our Community. Thank God Obama is sane. Look at the Mayor of Toronto. Then remember Bush and his war!
And now, Buffet, is laughing along with the Gates on PBS.

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I’m sleeping my life away. Some way of living, since my ex-wife had me evicted from my home; 2008 Xmas Eve. I'm flowing along to 81. My first injury to my head occurred January 1952; in Massachusetts I was 19, and I was a foolish young Officer in the Signal Corps. The physical injury to my head healed. The psychic injury to my Brain and my mind started just after birth. My Mother was 40 and in the middle of the night, at home she suffered the delivery of me; 12 pound 13 ounces. My right arm was paralyzed. Six months later I was healed. So I did suffer injuries at birth.

I have never injured anyone! I never smoked or used illegal drugs ever. I don't drink, nor do I take medications of any kind. So I ask the "holy we" ; will you accept the shame of causing all wars and injuring everyone.

Let me not forget to mention the psychic injuries being acted out in the Courts of Law by Lawyers who tell lies to win their cases. And also the really big processing organizations, that place the priority on the process over the needs of people.
These kinds of injuries are now referred to as Legal Abuse Syndrome.  Everything big is the cancer that is killing us.
And the rich are getting richer; and the most rich are hidden from sight.

However "they" have said I'm in denial. "They", is the holy "We". I refer to my self as one of holy " I's ".

35,000,000 injured people in the USA, are “very-seriously” in need of healing PTSD.

The balance of the fighting-world is seriously in need also. 
They are on the brink of destroying the world and committing the suicide of the holy "we".

So, I would explain the following.
I think, his question [Jules Evans] is referring to his living life, and not the after life.

He screwed-up his life as a young man, with drinking and drugs, and was ready at 30, for a life of misery. With no help from doctors, he looked at old Greek philosophy and found ancient historical ideas that had already found ways of modifying one’s life for the remaining years; 30 through until death.  So ideas of “saving” a life of living with PTSD was a big deal for him. With thousands of years of wars and millions of surviving young fucked-up men we still have the same problem to solve.

You and I, are still alive and wondering. PTSD, is beginning to become for the first time, a question that really needs solving. The Veterans Hospital in Montreal, will close when the last of us over eighty are dead. Why; do they think war is over?

Now, Ted;  Published on Nov 9, 2013  “When Jules Evans was in his late teens, he started to be plagued by panic attacks, mood swings and other emotional problems. He eventually found help in the form of Cognitive Behavioural Therapy” His idea was germinated after researching old Greek philosophy.  

So, before discussing “questions” among friends, we first require understanding the question.

What better time will there be than November 11?
You sent me “Churches using beer to attract new members - Your Community”

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From: vroth@comcast.net

Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 3:42 PM

To: Don Wesley

Subject: Re: How philosophy can save your life: Jules Evans at TEDxBreda

 

 

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From: "Don Wesley" <donwesley1933@live.com>
To: "Vic" <vroth@comcast.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 9, 2013 8:49:33 AM
Subject: How philosophy can save your life: Jules Evans at TEDxBreda

 

How philosophy can save your life: Jules Evans at TEDxBreda

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuwYvFlNGns

 

Do we really want something to save our life?

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donwesley1933@live.com

Quite frankly the only thing I want to see happening, is for Abused-Old-Men, like me; to see Justice.

Hi Victor, and Dear Diary-INNJustice.

Yes, and for other’s to know I live very close to Ottawa, the Capital of Canada. 

It is minus 3 degrees below Zero; and I must go out to Tim’s for Breakfast,

It is 5:51 AM, and if I don’t go and eat, then my body is consuming itself and I’ll fade away, like old soldiers do. I fading very quickly!

Quite frankly the only thing I want to see happening, is for Abused-Old-Men, like me; to see Justice.

In the Senate and in the Courts of law, and their Family Home and old age homes.

The Mortician, at Men’s Bible-Study breakfast yesterday, felt the same way. His wife scolded him because she found him without kindness when attending to a man whose wife, had just been almost-through the process morticians are licensed to carry out.

What you wrote me, yesterday, I found truly "mean" and without any kindness whatsoever.

When I think of how kind Little "T" has been, I no longer wonder why. 

The Habit of Kindness is not found in the genes but in the Mind, which not in the Brain.

You and I know each other for over 70 years, and you are still fighting like Teenage boys do, to see who can take more pain. I can tell you this, cause, at 80 there are no contest rules. except the rules of civility; like the promise to love one another.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQW7CzBT11Q   =   Rupert Sheldrake 2

I think of how mean Denise has been; She is a Narcissist too. It is cruelty.

So is my friend Ivan.

And then there is Serge, who divorced his wife because she was Narcissist also. She moved to England and got involved in a relationship with a Biker; He the Biker murdered her. Serge was at my wedding and we knew each other, very well and her too. Serge loves Horses and is a Lighting Engineer. He worked for two of my companies when I met Denise.

But, I just can’t stop loving her; It is the promise I made at our marriage in the catholic church. I wish we were together again.

I am sad this morning and had to tell you something. The example of Bob’s family comes back into my mind and I feeling momentary Envy. God forgive me.

Love

Don  

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