Saturday, November 30

Bitter Silence, a short film about child abuse

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJRuZ6LXPOQ

I have started writing The Love Story of Denise and Don 1962 - 20??
It has taken me a life time, to understand what happens to women who have adapted to living; when abused as a child. They create different personalities to dis-associate themselves from the many realities of what hurt them.
It is one complex hell for the husband and dozens of hells for the wife.
Both are very sensitive people. They are soul-mates, who love each other.

Love is a State of awareness, compassion and kindness for each other.
Separation is a State of Torture and endless aloneness.
Help them! Don't let the family Courts mess with them.

donwesley1933@live.com

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A heartbreaking story of Clayton Moss who was chained up in a closet and tortured by his own family at age 6 years old.”


My first son Christopher John Wesley, [this marriage was annulled] told me his mother would lock him in a closet when her man-friend came into my home. I was 22 and married the women because she said she was pregnant."   Don Wesley November 30, 2013





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Friday, November 29

"They got rid of you on Ted and now you are a pain in the ass on Facebook"


3:38 AM 11/29/13

The following is your comment old pal Roth - "They got rid of you on Ted and now you are a pain in the ass on Facebook"
I reply to you....
The more you express yourself, the more of your butt you do reveal.
[Not a pretty sight] As the old saying goes "take your nose out of the picture."

You... posted a demeaning Comment about me...
 "We'll you had your chance to educate your young children and you blew it"
[1] These, your comments are lies and demeaning.

My life story is out in the open for all to see. I also created the blog for your Ginsberg Dublin Bar. I did this as an extension to my own Blog - Innjustice.
It was my gift to you. My time, my blog and my intellectual know-how.

All you do create, is "Hi and then Goodbye and hope you enjoy the article I sent you." I would call this "pretending to be an academic." And you are a high-school drop out. You dropped out in the first few months.
[2] The next lie you have just expressed here on Facebook, is that I got kicked out Ted. I refused to stop talking about God on Ted; and they did warn me I could lose my right to start conversations. I chose, to keep the idea of moral thinking alive. I accepted their right to "ban me."
Not to point out immoral behavior [Evil Behaviour] is to 'choose' being a perpetrator of crimes being committed.

Just to see polite Christians avoiding to discuss immoral behaviour is also a crime. Just because a baby is present, doesn't excuse their immoral behaviour.
They, Ted, also banned Rupert Sheldrake, the Scientist; and their readership dropped so low, they decided to take summer holiday.
And Christ was killed. And John Wesley, was rejected by the established churches of his time. His Churches are alive and well today.


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I suggest to you old friend... you have a problem understanding the meaning of morality; read, From a Ted Conversation by, Colin Erskine, Winnipeg, Mb Canada.

Ignore this message at your peril.

I was active at TED, then and my thumbs ups earnings were accelerating. This was contrary to those who control Ted, who seem to want-all-to-think 'technology' based upon science is more good for us than stories about immoral behavior. read on...

"We use the term "morality" so liberally across different conversations. Usually metaphorically without getting specific. It bothers me to no end when excellent speakers use the term "morality" loosely as if it necessarily implies specific behaviors like "sharing = moral" and "murder = immoral." To me, morality always seems best defined as sound reasoning and conclusion forming. Of course, as opposed to unsound reasoning.

 It seems really clear that morality represents only that basic intention in any living creature to do something right as opposed to doing it erroneously. That is, it seems morality
comes down to the intent of doing what seems to make the most sense to the best of the
abilities of the individual or group of individuals.
As a simple anecdotal example, consider indulging a vice and stealing a purse from a store and then getting caught. While it may have seemed like a rational thing to do under the circumstances of expecting to get away with it, upon getting caught it would become apparent that the decision was not well calculated and certainly most harmful to the one person you were intending to take care of most, yourself. Your failure to achieve your own
aim of self-enhancement is what dictates your actions as immoral, even from your own perspective.
 Of course, there are a number of vices one might indulge that have negative consequences not only for the self but perhaps for society at large. Any action a ruler might take which brings about the unrest and revolt of her people, would be highly suspicious as being immoral since a ruler's decisions ought to be made to enhance their rule rather than degrade it.
Moral actions in all cases, seem to be those which the individual (and perhaps other individuals) can observe as clearly having the intended effect both in foresight as well as in hindsight. All other actions seem to neatly fit the description of immoral."

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donwesley1933@live.com
3:48 AM 11/29/13

Monday, November 25

The Court is like an empty vessel with no one at the wheel. I am struggling to break in and control.

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Ahoy! .... Vic, in San Francisco !

I need competent help, in Wheel House
I am tired and rain-wet and cold.
It is not words and talk that I need now.

I came back from breakfast at 4:00PM, and I am without a clear thought to go forward with; and the man at the wheel has gone.

I fear the ship may hit a rock and sink.
The Court is like an empty vessel with no one at bridge. I am struggling to break in and control.

My feeling of confidence is gone.
I will return to my bed and pray to my God for his help.
Just be my witness old friend.
The Devil is playing in my mind.

Please ask my God to help me;  Please-Me!

It is like I am back and living in my car again.

I must not let the Montreal Court do more harm to me and others.
 
Don

I wrote this page several months ago. djw
 
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Thursday, November 21

"Evict Men from Home without Sufficient Evidence"

"Evict Men from Home without Sufficient Evidence"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kccm4KbQtrU
 

 
My Eviction, happened on July 31, 2009 and the Family Court processing seemed to end on June 9, 2013. I'm still homeless and in my Base Camp Rooming House, eating crackers and cheese.

Service Canada is investigating; 'Anew' the identity problem, and I'll be 81 in 2014... 50 years since the day I married Denise Prevost and she became Mrs. Denise Wesley.

The only "one" Marriage Contract we agreed to, before that marriage day on April 11, 1964, required one afternoon before a Judge to dissolve. ...

What happened to all the documents during those 4 years. [I kept copies of everything]

Something funny is going on here.
One dead fish has two sides to study; symmetrical sides.
Evil is not a little virus but one half of a living being.

"Evil belongs entirely to the symmetry and dynamic of human life---and is indispensable to it." Lance Morrow - An investigation (Copyright 2003.)


donwesley1933@live.com
 
 

Wednesday, November 20

The Holographic Nature of The Universe - 2007 and Freemasonry- 1993



Gregg Braden - The Holographic Nature of The Universe
Uploaded on Nov 14, 2007 Gregg Braden discusses the Holographic Nature of the Universe,
and how everything we do affects the collective conciousneess of us all.
 

 
Don Wesley - Holograms  and the Nature of The Universe
(July 9, 1993)
 See the Letter Below.
The Grand Lodge of Quebec - Grand Secretary to Don Wesley – 1993
 
2)  http://innjustice.blogspot.ca/2011/03/grand-lodge-of-quebec-grand-secretary.html

Rupert Sheldrake at EU 2013—"Science Set Free" (Part 1)

Published on Jan 22, 2013

 “Many scientists like to think that science already understands the ways of the natural world. The fundamental questions are answered, leaving only the details to be filled in. The impressive achievements of science seemed to support this confident attitude.
But recent research has revealed unexpected problems at the heart of physics, cosmology, biology, medicine and psychology.
Dr. Sheldrake is a biologist and author of more than 80 scientific papers and 10 books, including Science Set Free (September 2012).”



 
 
 
 
 

Monday, November 18

Feminism degrades men! Soul-mate Relationships Unconditional Love & Consciousness (for Sensitive Empaths)

 
 
Feminism degrades men!   
Soul-mate Relationships
Unconditional Love & Consciousness (for Sensitive Empaths)

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November 18, 2013.

Dear Old Buddy,

I awakened [pleasantly - non PTSD] during the night and had two, very clear ideas appear; about those two groups of people who are opposed to, my world views. When I say opposed, that can also mean, my enemies.
I have two enemies that obstruct my ways [or fail to help me]. The Christian “Head Bashers” and the “Women's movement, who hate men.”

My only passionate work today, is to convey the truth about Corruption in our Court systems and the Unconscionable Judgements, that flow therein. 

[An Aside] Jaris-low-sky told me, that I was, my own worst enemy; at the very same time he was fraudulently conveying, $28,000.00 [1959] of my commission, from my “Diefenbunker lighting project” to himself. He, thought I would fall for his distraction. That sum, is about Ten Million today.

Old Buddy, It seems strange that you believe in Robert Payne’s and your own marriage to Maureen, in a Christian Church; and at the same time say I’m wrong to believe in the idea of God and Christ's lessons

The common “label” for people who talk this way Is “Hypocrites” isn’t this right. You say I use labels!

The “Women's movement” believes in Relationship's and not marriage, and claim they have a better ethical system. It is happening in Quebec! Take down the “Cross” they scream.

The three following links, I had watched during the day, may have led me to my very pleasant awakenings

 1)  Feminism degrades men
       http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2Ow044u-A8

 2)  Soulmate Relationships, Unconditional Love & Consciousness  (for SensitiveEmpaths)      
       http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zZEEPdFxmU

3)  NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden: 'I don't want to live in a society
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yB3n9fu-rM

 
Old Buddy, I know you are not a Hypocrite, whatsoever. And, I do believe that you do understand what you do see.
I have suggested, that “Snowden” himself explained he saw more, and was driven to tell the citizens of the USA the truth. His simple and “Just” action makes him a hero. What do you think?


Your Old friend, Don


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Wednesday, November 13

Roth (Victor) and Wesley (Don)

 
 
 
 
They argued then and still do today
1951 and 2013.
 
Right click on to enlarge the picture
 
Don and Vic  -    Circa 1951.

Don, bought and rebuilt the 1949 MG.

Vic bought a newer 1950 MG.
 
Don and his camera [timer]  took the picture.
 
Bobby Payne came in later.
 
Remember, today they are Great Grand Parents


And the Contest was growing
They met as two kids 10 and 11.
They are  80 and 81 today.
November 13, 2013.

November 12 2013 ..... A Day I'll Remember.

 
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Whistleblower, Edward Snowden  -
And  Senior,  Elder, Don Wesley  
-

Compare these two different vessels
and
How they think alike at the same time. See Don and his Dad in a 1934 picture,
down below 
  

Hi Buddy.

What I hoped you would see,
[a few days ago; because I sincerely asked you to],
was the following - “this one interview” where Edward Snowden, reveals how he thinks, and the Principles of Moral Logic that guide him.
I don’t want to discuss at the moment, anything more than this comparison, about my demeanour and seriousness and Edward Snowden’s demeanor and seriousness.
This is how I'm framing this story right now. We can go further into another frame, if you wish to, sometime later.

His demeanour and seriousness, is much how mine has been, since I met you, at 10 years of age. You were 11. We are now 80 and 81. Even in High School, my demeanour was the same; serious and kind.
It is the demeanour, that my wife and children saw, and the demeanour I displayed last night at Alexandria Masonic Lodge, to 10 very serious men.

My message - "There is Corruption in the Court Systems and it is hurting too many good men" resulting in"Man-made suffering" It needs our urgent attention.

I was demanding their attention and apologised.
I didn’t soften my words however, which had to be heard by them. Their attention was held and the message delivered. 


Like other good men, what I explain, to everyone, and always have, is from the depths of my heart, and what I truly see, and they can't even know exists; until revealed by someone, at opportune moment.  I never use un-healthy anger. I'm just very happy to have them listen. It is not because I’m smarter, but just because my mind is obsessively pulling me in; to see what my imagination reveals. This mind, not in the Brain, is also the collective mind; as Carl Jung researched year ago.

[An aside] Obsessive thinking is a gift from our Creator, it seems.
My Son, Steven revealed this to me when he was 13.
The lady shrink we visited, said "you need obsessive thinking to learn. Steven is now a Psychiatrist.   

"Each of us sees only part of what is possible" and what needs to be done and we can't wait for someone's approval to respond. So, as good individual men, we are obliged to hear messages and cry's for help. Together we hear the whole message [in parts] from each other. Then as Craftsmen and Engineers using the Social Sciences as well, we get what is important and urgent, done.  

What moves most men more, is the Propaganda created and published by the richer people, who control everything.
Only they have the power to approve. The collective "We."

This is the Bovine Matter they grind out, daily and we pay for.

It is the individual men (The holy "I's") who get together for the job defined, as needed. (Putting out a fire for example)

Some mistakenly say, that I am a controlling Narcissist. Some have tested me, and find that no narcissist is present in me.

I thank you Buddy.
Don

The following is a young man, is an image of  [likeness]to me; like when I was in the Signal Corps. 1952. -

“whistleblower Edward Snowden: 'I don't want to live in a society..... ”


 

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Sunday, November 10

The barfly-customer-is-always-right-right!


 
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10 November 2013. Six Hours to Remembrance Day.

What is the right thing to do? How do you measure it?
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The barfly-customer-is-always-right-right! A good lesson or a Joke. Never assume anything!
What should the Bar owner do?
Will he avoid the temptation of Greed or sharpen his Virtue of wisdom?
Healthy drinking or un-healthy drinking; what determines what is right or wrong?
No measure; use Biblical discretion.

Hi, Old Buddy.

The opportunity to see, a lack of humility, can be found, moment by moment in the News Papers.
In Montreal, I could be whacked for revealing this.  “The idea of righteousness”  
I knew it was only a question of time, before you fell into Bovine Matter. i.e., Marin newspaper of some kind.
There is perfectly right; and there is unhealthy right. We must measure what is most needed. Science has no scales of measurement for it.
To be humble, we must chip away at the unfinished stone like a stone Mason.  All day and every day until we die.

Psychologists, measure the degree of disorder and the Psychiatrist prescribes the treatment.
Steven got the measurements wrong and flipped into unhealthy anger, when his treatments failed. The beautiful young lady of the night rejected him. He also did the measurements!
Steven maybe a Psychopath and I opine, [methinks] has an unhealthy borderline personality. I still love this child. My first, with Denise.  I wanted him, ever so much.  I forgave him long ago.
Doctor Lundel said it would take years for Steven to overcome to his behaviour.

Michael, on the other hand, calculated how much he could get away with. He is not a social-path; he just uses the behavior that he needs to succeed in stealing Dad's belongings.
Today they both cover their faces with Mask's of Shame.  See the following; I have a duty to rebuke them publically. The private one failed to have them ask for forgiveness.  


I have the “healthy” aspects of near-borderline personality. I need structure and obedience. My face is the real one, slim and intimidating: You will be heard and then spanked with kind words and given a hug at the same time.

However help is available immediately; Christ is knocking on your door and saying "Hey buddy, I have what you need to keep yourself from destroying yourself." He doesn't push you around; he just offers help and walks on to the next needy soul.

Most recovering from alcoholism, have gone the Christ-route. Self injury is wrong.

When I drank [not often] as a teenager at 14; I got drunk too quickly and would slap my own face with anger. It hurt, so I stopped drinking early. In the Officers Mess, at 17, we could buy beer. The Colonel watched us, while he got into a drunken stupor. He fined us "via a military trial-route", and made more money that way.   He called it a lesson in military law.
The Mafia will slap your hands or whack you.

The Bar-owner who is greedy for money, will say "pice on him" and "You don't matter and I don't mind".
There is healthily Narcissism and unhealthy Narcissism; this not what the shrinks say; which is “you are a Narcissist!”

Your smile [old Buddy] is much better now and your nose is slimming down; and I have tried, not to push you around.

And you said last week that your conversation with your daughter is more fluid; not a lube-job I hope. When you visited my home with your daughter, I heard these words for the very first time: I wondered.  Some drinking, maybe good; Unhealthy drinking is a heavy burden, which will kill you.

The Lady of Your home didn't push you either. She stayed awhile; and you stopped denying. 
Get rid of your pride. Work every day to find the sinful behavior in yourself. Only Christ displays perfect humility. What temptations have you resisted today?

I certainly can say with regret, that I’m not free of Sin myself. However, I do fear not getting through the curtain to heaven.  Life on earth isn’t full of joy; the man-made suffering is insane.
Francyne said I was in denial! Who did the measurements?  Is she one of Lucifer’s angelic flying devils?
On her best days she still carries her brooms.


Buddy old man; I was wondering what story I could write that would sell the idea of righteousness; for tomorrow on my blog.

You came forward with the little miracle I needed.  If you prefer I’ll remove it.
Thanks Buddy, you're wearing the sheepskin of a lamb; you’re a Christian and don't say so.  The Christian has an obligation to reveal the message of Christ.

Your Old Pastor Don, the bastard; an accident of birth and not self-made.
Only a temporary Chaplain!

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-----Original Message-----

From: Buddy  
Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 8:07 AM
To: Don Wesley
Subject: Barfly: Some customers are more right than others - Marin Independent Journal
http://www.marinij.com/lifestyles/ci_24470717/barfly-customer-is-always-right-right
Sent from my iPad

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donwesley1933@live.com

Don and PTSD and November 11 and Legal Abuse Syndrome.



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Hi Old Pal, Vic.
 
Your question, a few hours past, was ....
“Do we really want something to save our life?”


Before I start,
"I slept, from November 09, 2013 3:42 PM, until writing this reply to you now. November 10, 2:34 AM."


So here is my reply.
 
You left Montreal and moved to San Francisco where you started a Bar Business. You learned drinking in Montreal Bars.


You, introduced your young daughter, to the Bar-life, 30 years ago;   Has it worked for her?

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The “Alcoholics Anonymous.” is a big time business here in the Capital of Canada. And the Mayor of Toronto is denying he drinks and smokes Cocaine. Look at the Obamacare arguments. The world is our Community. Thank God Obama is sane. Look at the Mayor of Toronto. Then remember Bush and his war!
And now, Buffet, is laughing along with the Gates on PBS.


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I’m sleeping my life away. Some way of living, since my ex-wife had me evicted from my home; 2008 Xmas Eve. I'm flowing along to 81. My first injury to my head occurred January 1952; in Massachusetts I was 19, and I was a foolish young Officer in the Signal Corps. The physical injury to my head healed. The psychic injury to my Brain and my mind started just after birth. My Mother was 40 and in the middle of the night, at home she suffered the delivery of me; 12 pound 13 ounces. My right arm was paralyzed. Six months later I was healed. So I did suffer injuries at birth.

I have never injured anyone! I never smoked or used illegal drugs ever. I don't drink, nor do I take medications of any kind. So I ask the "holy we" ; will you accept the shame of causing all wars and injuring everyone.

Let me not forget to mention the psychic injuries being acted out in the Courts of Law by Lawyers who tell lies to win their cases. And also the really big processing organizations, that place the priority on the process over the needs of people.
These kinds of injuries are now referred to as Legal Abuse Syndrome.  Everything big is the cancer that is killing us.

And the rich are getting richer; and the most rich are hidden from sight.

However "they" have said I'm in denial. "They", is the holy "We". I refer to my self as one of holy " I's ".

35,000,000 injured people in the USA, are “very-seriously” in need of healing PTSD.

The balance of the fighting-world is seriously in need also. 
They are on the brink of destroying the world and committing the suicide of the holy "we".

So, I would explain the following.
I think, his question [Jules Evans] is referring to his living life, and not the after life.

He screwed-up his life as a young man, with drinking and drugs, and was ready at 30, for a life of misery. With no help from doctors, he looked at old Greek philosophy and found ancient historical ideas that had already found ways of modifying one’s life for the remaining years; 30 through until death.  So ideas of “saving” a life of living with PTSD was a big deal for him. With thousands of years of wars and millions of surviving young fucked-up men we still have the same problem to solve.

You and I, are still alive and wondering. PTSD, is beginning to become for the first time, a question that really needs solving. The Veterans Hospital in Montreal, will close when the last of us over eighty are dead. Why; do they think war is over?

Now, Ted;  Published on Nov 9, 2013  “When Jules Evans was in his late teens, he started to be plagued by panic attacks, mood swings and other emotional problems. He eventually found help in the form of Cognitive Behavioural Therapy” His idea was germinated after researching old Greek philosophy.  

So, before discussing “questions” among friends, we first require understanding the question.
What better time will there be than November 11?
You sent me “Churches using beer to attract new members - Your Community”
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From: vroth@comcast.net

Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 3:42 PM


Subject: Re: How philosophy can save your life: Jules Evans at TEDxBreda
 
 




From: "Don Wesley" <donwesley1933@live.com>
To: "Vic" <vroth@comcast.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 9, 2013 8:49:33 AM
Subject: How philosophy can save your life: Jules Evans at TEDxBreda

 
How philosophy can save your life: Jules Evans at TEDxBreda


 

Do we really want something to save our life?

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Sunday, November 3

Quite frankly the only thing I want to see happening, is for Abused-Old-Men, like me; to see Justice.



Hi Victor, and Dear Diary-INNJustice.

Yes, and for other’s to know I live very close to Ottawa, the Capital of Canada. 
It is minus 3 degrees below Zero; and I must go out to Tim’s for Breakfast,
It is 5:51 AM, and if I don’t go and eat, then my body is consuming itself and I’ll fade away, like old soldiers do. I fading very quickly!
Quite frankly the only thing I want to see happening, is for Abused-Old-Men, like me; to see Justice.

In the Senate and in the Courts of law, and their Family Home and old age homes.
The Mortician, at Men’s Bible-Study breakfast yesterday, felt the same way. His wife scolded him because she found him without kindness when attending to a man whose wife, had just been almost-through the process morticians are licensed to carry out.

What you wrote me, yesterday, I found truly "mean" and without any kindness whatsoever.
When I think of how kind Little "T" has been, I no longer wonder why. 

The Habit of Kindness is not found in the genes but in the Mind, which not in the Brain.

You and I know each other for over 70 years, and you are still fighting like Teenage boys do, to see who can take more pain. I can tell you this, cause, at 80 there are no contest rules. except the rules of civility; like the promise to love one another.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQW7CzBT11Q   =   Rupert Sheldrake 2

I think of how mean Denise has been; She is a Narcissist too. It is cruelty.
So is my friend Ivan.

And then there is Serge, who divorced his wife because she was Narcissist also. She moved to England and got involved in a relationship with a Biker; He the Biker murdered her. Serge was at my wedding and we knew each other, very well and her too. Serge loves Horses and is a Lighting Engineer. He worked for two of my companies when I met Denise.


But, I just can’t stop loving her; It is the promise I made at our marriage in the catholic church. I wish we were together again.
I am sad this morning and had to tell you something. The example of Bob’s family comes back into my mind and I feeling momentary Envy. God forgive me.
Love
Don  
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Saturday, November 2

What did I see last month.... October 2013?

 

Saturday, November-02-13
  • It has been, a gift, He chose to give to me!
  • Looking around with my eyes open, I can’t remember much new;
    Except, for the Farm belonging, to a Masonic Brother, who I met, a few months ago.  Graff was his name.
  • However, with my eyes closed, in the dark of the night; While meditating, I saw that God was within-me, and not up in Heaven, wherever that is.
  •  This makes a huge difference, in how we feel about things. I revisited my glimpse of him and widened my scope, and as I backed away, I saw more of him.
  •  Over the entire month, I began to realize, that my whole life was Him. Without Him, in this mortal body, I am not yet born; or I am dead and gone!
  •  More importantly, I learned ,that asking questions, makes one blind and unable to see Him.
  • Later, if it occurs to me ; I will return to this page, and add more knowledge, as I recall it.